. >> we have that young woman whose name has not been talked about, hadiya pendleton, who was this young african-american, a majorette. she was gunned down, a stray bullet. here's the thing, if we're going to start talking about violence, i'm 100% for the background checks. i'm very concerned about the assault weapons, but my big concern is you have these two -- >> a cultural question? >> two theologies. one says background checks, it will solve every problem. the other theology that says we can't trust america's government. we're so afraid of america's government and disdainful of america's government that we won't give them any power to protect our children. neither one is going to solve the problem. >> i don't think any of these things are going to solve the problem. the game plan is to try to reduce the problem. >> kellyanne if i'm mistaken, you share the view that the nra put out, which is that you don't solve the gun violence problem in america by reducing the number of guns? >> i first want to say thank you to van jones because i couldn't have said it better myself, and i agree wi